Comparing the Tandberg & Polycom MCUs

May 21, 2007 Update:  See the latest comments on my bridge here.

Please note this was originally written in May 2006 and versions have changed since then. See the comments section for TANDBERG’s response. – Note added March 2007.

First Things First
First before I write about some comparisons, let me describe my base assumptions and biases.

1. My use of videoconferencing is almost totally connecting with
“unmanaged” units, or places outside of my service area. These are
other schools that connect in a myriad of ways, and who don’t
particularly want to be registered to my gatekeeper, because I connect
to them only once or twice a year. Some connect through bridges
(Radvision, Polycom MGCs, old Accords, etc.), some connect directly,
some connect via IP, and some connect via ISDN. Read Across America, MysteryQuest, and other such projects and events are what we do with videoconferencing. Hence
I connect with a ton of unknown units all the time. And I expect that
to work consistently (with a test call ahead of time of course!).

2. As an educational service agency supporting videoconferencing, I
expect my MCU to be able to connect to anything. My goal with my MCU is
to provide services and connections to my districts that they could not
do on their own: multipoint events, IP/ISDN conversion, connections
they can’t make on their own.

And some background. I have 35 (soon to be 70) Polycom endpoints and a Tandberg
MPS (vJ3.0), gateway, gatekeeper and Tandberg Management Suite (TMS). The comparison is with my colleague Arnie Comer‘s
bridge: an Polycom MGC 100 and he supports 140 Tandberg endpoints. We both use our bridges as described above.

This comparison is not on all the features that either bridge can
do, but on the features necessary to support K12 videoconferencing as
described above.

Comparison

  Polycom MGC 100
Software Rev 6.02
Tandberg MPS
Software Rev J3.0

So I have come to the conclusion that the Polycom MCU is the
workhorse of videoconferencing, connecting all types of units together.
The Tandberg bridge seems to be heading towards a closed network model
with great wonderful fancy features for closed networks. But it does
not handle IP address dialing well at all and the company
doesn’t seem to be designing their systems to support IP address dialing.

Disclosure Statement: Polycom is sponsoring the BCISD Videoconference Program Database. They also link to my blog. However, they do not dictate, edit, or preapprove anything I write here.

Spanish Read Across America

This morning Brandywine Elementary is connecting to a Spanish Immersion school in Columbus Ohio for a Spanish version of Read Across America. Our classes have Spanish only once a week, so they aren’t quite as fluent. The classes shared poetry, short statements, and choral readings together, mostly in Spanish. The question and answer part they did in English.

This was the first connection for Brandywine with their new Polycom VSX7000 mobile in the district. This connection was our first over a wireless Internet connection between the elementary school and the high school where the T1 comes in. The quality was amazingly good! Nice to know that this model is going to work well for us!

The other neat thing for my school is that the students in Columbus had done several videoconferences. So they told our students all about the different programs. Great for my school to hear about all the possibilities from students! I love it when schools learn from each other this way!

The Columbus students asked my school what they hope to do with videoconferencing. One of our students said, “I want to connect to you again because it’s very fun to talk to you guys.” Then our students asked them if they wanted to do Flat Stanley together and be pen pals. What a great partnership and first VC for my school!

How to Talk to Your Vendor

A few weeks ago I followed with interest a Megaconference listserv discussion about LifeSize and it’s support of video protocols. Here is a comment by John S. Martin, from the JANET Videoconferencing Management Centre, University of Edinburgh.

When multipointing in a multi-user environment we have found several incompatibility issues which are only resolved when one, or all, of the connected codecs connected at H.261. This is the base standard for H.323 videoconferencing. Yes, a video protocol transcoded conference will overcome this issue, but this uses more resource on an MCU such as a Polycom MGC. I
have spoken to lifesize about this and apparently it was a commercial decision not to implement H.261, but something they may look at in the future, depending on demand.

I just find it bizarre that a company have developed a system which doesn’t connect to H.261/3/4 video protocols.

Usually I’m not thinking much about video protocols, but I was very interested in this conversation. The Megaconference listserv has many international higher ed technicians and I learn a lot just by reading the messages. It was intriguing because some people thought it didn’t matter. Why would a high definition VC product want to connect to a low end legacy product that could only do H.261?

This conversation concerned me, coming from a K12 VC environment where usually there is much less tech support. Some districts have a teacher who is responsible for the videoconferencing equipment, and that’s it! That teacher or media specialist expects the connection to work if it’s IP or ISDN and they usually don’t know anything about the video protocols. It’s enough to remember H.323 or H.320! As K12 endusers, we just want it to work! You want to be able to talk to someone, find out if they have videoconferencing, and have it work!

So I have a few thoughts and reflections based on this experience.

Learn From Others! If you participate in Megaconference or Megaconference Jr., stay on the listserv after the event is over! Even if the conversation seems like it’s way over your head! That’s how I felt when I first participated in Megaconference a few years ago. But I’ve stayed on the listserv and “lurked” and learned a lot about the technical back end details of videoconferencing that I wouldn’t have learned otherwise. Another good place to learn about technical details is the VTC Talk Forums.

Talking To Your Vendor. If you’re new to videoconferencing and are talking to your vendor, there are some things you should consider. Some of this advice is based on experiences with connecting to other schools for MysteryQuest, Read Across America, and similar projects. 9 times out of 10 your vendor will not have imagined these types of uses of videoconferencing and so may try to convince you otherwise.

1. You definitely need to be able to dial out to an IP address. And if possible, you need a way to get to ISDN sites as well. Not all of the providers have switched to IP yet. And some schools that you might want to connect to are also ISDN. Sometimes your educational service agency (ISD, BOCES, ESC, etc.) can provide this service for you. Or your vendor may have ideas of how you can get access to ISDN if needed. ISDN usage in K12 videoconferencing has diminished greatly in the last year or so, but if you truly want to be able to connect to anyone, you’ll need a way to convert to ISDN occasionally.

2. Second, you really need to be able to receive calls, preferably to an external IP address. There are a few content providers who prefer to call the school they are connecting to. There are also many great projects you can do with other schools. But if you partner up with a school that can only call out, and you can only call out, then you are stuck! This is a big problem in the Read Across America project and spin off projects that use the same format. There are new firewall traversal units coming out to help schools with the challenges of IP videoconferencing. However, sometimes these tools create an environment where you have to dial an extension to get to the right unit. Some schools connect through a bridge, and the bridge can’t dial an extension. All these things complicate projects that should be able to happen easily! So if at all possible, design your system so that you can receive calls to an external IP address. Otherwise, you may need your educational service agency to help you make connections with other schools.

3. Have as little as possible in between your VC unit and the rest of the world. In my experience with IP calls, the more “boxes” (firewalls, gateways, bridges, & stuff) are between two units, the lower the quality of the call. If you are in a consortium, design your system so you can make calls with or without the assistance of a central bridge. It’s good to be independent of that bridge if at all possible. I’m finding that my calls work better and have clearer pictures when connected directly. Some of the newer units can do beautiful H.264 calls that look great! But not all the bridges and gateways and stuff in between allow that protocol through.

H.323 has made videoconferencing cheaper and more accessible to schools, but it has also added a level of complexity to connections that is sometimes hard to navigate. But that’s the nature of the beast these days it seems.

GNG: Mozambique

Today Global Nomads connected three schools from the United States, Texas, New York and Missouri to students in Mozambique. Polycom helped to sponsor this incredible connection.

This videoconference series in March and April of 2006 brings the world’s youth face-to-face with their peers in Mozambique to discuss and learn about their respective cultures. Here are some of the topics that will be discussed during the March and April connections:

  • We are as one (breaking the ice)
  • What are our similarities and differences?
  • Independence and Civil War
  • Gender Issues I
  • Gender Issues II
  • A Wild Elephant
  • What we have Learned

A series of classroom-to-classroom and remote broadcast conferences (with experts speaking from remote onsite locations) provides a collaborative global education experience.

Here are questions asked by students in today’s videoconference:

  1. What is unique about your town, city or country?
  2. What do you do for fun and what are your three (3) favorite bands?
  3. What is your favorite class in school?
  4. Is there a lot of tourism in Mozambique?
  5. Do you have a traditional food?
  6. What kinds of sports do you play in Mozambique?
  7. Who do you think is going to win the World Cup?
  8. What are your favorite movies?
  9. What are your thoughts on child abuse in the US?
  10. What do you think about HIV Aids? (Interesting fact – there are 1 million people in Mozambique with Aids).
  11. What is the one thing you could not live without? Mozambique answer: FAMILY
  12. If you could take a trip anywhere in the world where would you go? Mozambique answer Brazil – Why to see all the pretty girls.
  13. Mozambique asks: What do you think about the show “American Idol” and “Jerry Springer” – Interesting answers.
  14. How is the educational system in the US?
  15. What are your aspirations for the future?
  16. What holiday do you celebrate in Mozambique?
  17. Who are your role models?
  18. What do you think of the legalization of prostitution and drugs in the US?

It was interesting to learn that most of the students in Mozambique can speak at least 4 languages. United States students were entertained by singing and dancing from Mozambique students.

-by Elaine Shuck, Guest Blogger

ASK: Donuthead

“You guys are making me think that I need to think a lot more about what I do!” Sue commented to a student in Dowagiac. One of the neat things about ASK programs is that the students think deeply about the book and come up with very interesting creative questions that often stump the author.

Today’s ASK program features author Sue Stauffacher and her book Donuthead. Donuthead is a hysterically funny book about two kids who don’t fit in and how they deal with life situations. The students followed the ASK process to prepare for this videoconference: reading the book, journalling, and writing and selecting excellent questions. Here is a sampling of some of the questions.

  • Where did you come up with the name Donuthead?
  • Do you know someone who is afraid of everything like Franklin?
  • How do you think Franklin would feel if he found his dad?
  • How did you think of making one side of Franklin longer than the other?
  • How many Donuthead books do you plan on making?
  • How do you help young people who are poor?
  • Why did you make Sarah’s dad mean? Was your dad like that?
  • Why did you make Sarah tough and brave?

Sue Stauffacher is a wonderfully funny author and presenter. It’s incredible to listen to her stories, how she writes, and how she interacts with the students.

In the picture to the right, Sue explains the writing and editing process.

As part of the program this morning, Sue read a few paragraphs from the new book Donutheart which is coming out in October. Many questions this morning are answered in the new book. Clearly students, teachers, and distance learning coordinators alike are anxious to read this sequel!

I’m looking forward to next year when we will do ASK with the Donuthead book as well as Sue’s new book Bessie Smith and the Night Riders, the amazing true story of a blues singer who single handedly scared off the KKK. We’ll be scheduling this one in February for sure.

PVX Power

Just ran across this interesting blog entry, Polycom Rocks…. A learning technologies conference in Australia gave away PVX software and a free webcam to the participants! What a great idea! Wish I had attended! I also heard recently that the state of California negotiated a statewide license for PVX software for education.

I’m very curious how these entities will be using their PVX software. It’s interesting how this top notch quality product blurs the lines between “room” videoconferencing and desktop videoconferencing with tiny web screens and tools like Skype & Festoon. With PVX and a little Logitech webcam you can get a full screen high quality H.323 videoconference that looks amazingly good!
While I have reservations about schools jumping into VC with PVX instead of a regular VC unit, I’ve recommended this to one of my tiny private schools that wouldn’t be able to do videoconferencing otherwise. It’s a bit of a stretch to use PVX with a room full of kids, but with a small class size of 15 or so, it’s almost manageable. The challenge is the microphone is designed for use by one person at a computer, so students have to come up closer to the computer to connect. Not ideal for projects like Read Across America and MysteryQuest, but doable.

On the other hand, the PVX solution is GREAT for meetings, quick conversations with colleagues, and for monitoring conferences from my office! Now in theory I can watch three conferences at a time with a VSX7000, a Viewstation, and PVX on my laptop.

I wonder what is next in the convergence of videoconference technologies!

Morphing a MysteryQuest

I’m delighted to see my VC buddy Joan Roehre morphing the MysteryQuest idea into the Wisconsin History Mystery for 4th grade. Way to go Joan! I see this format as a great instructional strategy that can be morphed into all kinds of great projects for students.

When are YOU going to run a MysteryQuest for your state??? I’ve even posted a facilitation guide to get you started! If you do, please put your materials up online so the rest of us can learn from your great ideas!

Interviewing Congressman Fred Upton

Today we have Congressman Fred Upton talking to six local high school classes in Bangor, Buchanan, Coloma, Decatur, Edwardsburg, and Lawton. This annual conversation is a treat for our local government classes. Mr. Upton also very much enjoys this conversation with the students. Here’s a sampling of the questions:

  • What can we do to stimulate economic growth in Michigan?
  • Will we need passports to go to Canada in the near future?
  • Would you consider a law banning gay marriage?
  • Since you have almost never missed a vote, why do you think it’s so important?
  • How are we taking care of our National Guard’s needs and can we do more?
  • What is Congress doing to battle the viewing of inappropriate websites by young students?
  • I participated in HeadStart when I was younger and I really appreciate the benefits it’s given me growing up. What are you doing to continue this program in our state?
  • What is the most important bill in Congress at this time and why?
  • Do you think we should be spending more research dollars on alternative fuels?
  • Governor Granholm is considering increasing the minimum wage in Michigan. Do you think we should do this at a national level?

Great conversation and discussion on a wide range of current issues! Thanks students and teachers for preparing such great questions!

Some Great RAA Stories

I’ve really enjoyed hearing stories from participants in Read Across America. I loved these entries from my colleagues about their RAA connections. If you’re not reading their blogs – check out these entries: Toilet Paper, Regis & Kelly Show, Henny Penny, The Foolish Little Hare, and Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs.
Also Arnie Comer sent me a newspaper clipping from the Fraser-Clinton Township Chronicle. This great story shares how Salk Elementary students shared the joy of snow with their partner class in Paris, Texas.

The Texans opened a package sent from the Michiganders to find snowman cookies, handmade snowflakes, and a collection of paper snowballs, each with a message inside.
Amicucci [the teacher] encouraged the kids to throw the [paper] snowballs toward the camera, prompting a virtual snowball fight between both sets of students.

“We thought we could have the world’s first video snowball fight,” she said, as the room erupted into a flurry of white paper.

….  “I just thought this was an awesome experience,” said Amicucci. “They were truly ‘Reading Across America.’ Most of them have never been outside of Michigan. This is one of the best things we’ve ever done.”